Odyssey question
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yhbobg
Odyssey question
This may be an odd question, but can an Odyssey be built as a part 103 legal ultralight (smaller engine, remove passenger seat, replace with platform for cargo maybe, etc), and then if wanted/needed later add 2 place capability back if/when I get my light sport or private cert?
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blaswichk
Re: Odyssey question
Just a guess, but I would say no. If you want an ultralight, build the Gull 2000. Looks just like it but smaller for one person. Don’t forget about the 254 lbs, hard to do in a single place and probably impossible with a two place with one seat left out.
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yhbobg
Re: Odyssey question
I originally had my eye on the soaring gull, but I am thinking about the the future, and it would be ideal if I could build one plane that could do either ultralight, and /or 2 place LSA duty
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maishalabe
Re: Odyssey question
SOMEBODY VERY! IMPORTANT WOULD CARE.
The attorney who discovered you were not in a LEGAL ! ultralight when suing you for the damage or injury you caused to their client if/when you had an accident which would nullify your measly 250,000 USUA insurance [3rd party by First Flight of Kitty Hawk N.C.]which is the only UL insurance available.
You would buy insurance?or are you rich enough to risk all you have worked for or hope to earn on a HOBBY?
If your ship is found illegal YOU WILL! be charged with many offenses by the government.
I have for half a decade wandered as did Lazarus seeking an honest man, trying to find ANY! Earthstar craft that is irrefutably 103 legal because i love the ship and desperately want to build one but refuse to risk a lifetime of work to satisfy my desire.
And please don't start with the ballistic chute or other safety equipment specious arguments that when interpreted by the officials who matter will not make your craft 103 legal.
The forgoing is my opinion and beliefs after doing due diligence on the subject.
I will listen [read]all anyone else has to say on the subject but probably not engage in debate or defense.
The attorney who discovered you were not in a LEGAL ! ultralight when suing you for the damage or injury you caused to their client if/when you had an accident which would nullify your measly 250,000 USUA insurance [3rd party by First Flight of Kitty Hawk N.C.]which is the only UL insurance available.
You would buy insurance?or are you rich enough to risk all you have worked for or hope to earn on a HOBBY?
If your ship is found illegal YOU WILL! be charged with many offenses by the government.
I have for half a decade wandered as did Lazarus seeking an honest man, trying to find ANY! Earthstar craft that is irrefutably 103 legal because i love the ship and desperately want to build one but refuse to risk a lifetime of work to satisfy my desire.
And please don't start with the ballistic chute or other safety equipment specious arguments that when interpreted by the officials who matter will not make your craft 103 legal.
The forgoing is my opinion and beliefs after doing due diligence on the subject.
I will listen [read]all anyone else has to say on the subject but probably not engage in debate or defense.
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chupuk1
Re: Odyssey question
I think some people should keep their opinions to themselves and leave alone those who wish to take risks however they choose in this adventure we call life.
Best, Scott
Best, Scott
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k1w1art
Re: Odyssey question
Can ask please
Lets start here: why do you want a 103 legal aircarft
I will ask more question when we have this one clear
Art
Lets start here: why do you want a 103 legal aircarft
I will ask more question when we have this one clear
Art
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yhbobg
Re: Odyssey question
Small foreword... I am a lifer, I have been in love with all things aviation since I was old enough to know what an airplane was, my grandfather was a private pilot, and some of my best childhood memories are of flying with him (and him letting me help fly (yoke only, to small to reach rudder pedals, lol), I actually started on my path the get certified (private), but my life fell apart when I got laid off a few years ago, I completed ground school, and passed the written, and I got about 6 air hours under my belt before my world broke. I am just starting to get things back, but I still love aviation, and have always loved ultralights (as well as all other aircraft).
as for why...
#1, for now, I do not have my cert, I want to some day, but for now no, so I would like to plane that will suit me now AND when/and/or/if I get my sport or private cert, and with limited money, a single plane that could do either role (and give the the option of carrying a passenger when I get my cert...) is my best bet
#2, even when I get my cert, some day I may not want to deal with the BS, and just fly ultralight, and if I can do that with the same plane by maybe swapping out engine, fuel tank and remove a seat, then, yay.
#3, because I like to build and experiment without the FAA being up my a##, ultralight aviation gives my that, and being 103 legal gives me the option of being insured (without fudging any paperwork)
#4, why not, lol
analogy... I am a fully licensed motorcycle rider, I have a full sized street bike, BUT I also own a small dual sport, for those days when I want to go off road. My street bike is practical, and for most people it would be all they need, but my, the dual sport is a blast, plus, IF I choose to only drive off road, I need nothing, no registration, no license, no anything, just my bike, BUT I can (and do) have it
street legal and registered, but it is my choice, and again, why not.
Even if I won the lottery today, and had more money than I could ever spend, I would buy a "real" plane or 2, definitely an Icon A5 for fun (flying jet-ski :) ), maybe a Cirrus for more passenger capability and range, and who knows what else, lol, BUT I would STILL have an ultralight for pure fun, and the Thunder Gull line has always been my first choice ever since I saw my first Gull back in the late 70s. I may never be able to afford a plane of any kind, but I am still hopping. ... someday...
Wow that turned into a longer post that I thought it would
as for why...
#1, for now, I do not have my cert, I want to some day, but for now no, so I would like to plane that will suit me now AND when/and/or/if I get my sport or private cert, and with limited money, a single plane that could do either role (and give the the option of carrying a passenger when I get my cert...) is my best bet
#2, even when I get my cert, some day I may not want to deal with the BS, and just fly ultralight, and if I can do that with the same plane by maybe swapping out engine, fuel tank and remove a seat, then, yay.
#3, because I like to build and experiment without the FAA being up my a##, ultralight aviation gives my that, and being 103 legal gives me the option of being insured (without fudging any paperwork)
#4, why not, lol
analogy... I am a fully licensed motorcycle rider, I have a full sized street bike, BUT I also own a small dual sport, for those days when I want to go off road. My street bike is practical, and for most people it would be all they need, but my, the dual sport is a blast, plus, IF I choose to only drive off road, I need nothing, no registration, no license, no anything, just my bike, BUT I can (and do) have it
street legal and registered, but it is my choice, and again, why not.
Even if I won the lottery today, and had more money than I could ever spend, I would buy a "real" plane or 2, definitely an Icon A5 for fun (flying jet-ski :) ), maybe a Cirrus for more passenger capability and range, and who knows what else, lol, BUT I would STILL have an ultralight for pure fun, and the Thunder Gull line has always been my first choice ever since I saw my first Gull back in the late 70s. I may never be able to afford a plane of any kind, but I am still hopping. ... someday...
Wow that turned into a longer post that I thought it would
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maishalabe
Re: Odyssey question
To enjoy the freedom of minimum regulatory restrictions and oversight within the LEGAL scope of the 103 reg's.
As a hedge against not being able to maintain my drivers license; i am eighty yrs,a double cancer survivor,27 surgeries,ETC. ETC.
And then there was [early on] the unrealistic expectation that it would be cheaper than Exp.or LSA etc.[just sold my Onex and had 14 homebuilts prior to that]
To enjoy the challenge of extracting maximum performance within the restrictive 103 regs.
To Literally handle,hoist ,assemble and otherwise move about lighter components.
To become as proficient as i can as a pilot in what i consider to be a challenging category.
To enjoy the low /slow,perhaps a bit safer upon impact,type of flying.
To soar in a Gull as a gull.
As a hedge against not being able to maintain my drivers license; i am eighty yrs,a double cancer survivor,27 surgeries,ETC. ETC.
And then there was [early on] the unrealistic expectation that it would be cheaper than Exp.or LSA etc.[just sold my Onex and had 14 homebuilts prior to that]
To enjoy the challenge of extracting maximum performance within the restrictive 103 regs.
To Literally handle,hoist ,assemble and otherwise move about lighter components.
To become as proficient as i can as a pilot in what i consider to be a challenging category.
To enjoy the low /slow,perhaps a bit safer upon impact,type of flying.
To soar in a Gull as a gull.
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blaswichk
Re: Odyssey question
That’s a tough call, usually a light plane strong enough to carry two people won’t be light enough even with a smaller engine and back seat removed to be a true legal ultralight. The point is I have a lot of friends flying ultralight looking planes, and none of them are true weight legal ultralights, and their theory is don’t fly stupid as the FAA is got more to worry about than a few fat ultralights. If something bad would happen, (crash into people or buildings), there is always the risk that a law suit would be ensuing. If your flying out in rural areas like we do, your risk should be extremely low. I would suggest getting the sport pilot rating, license the fat ultralight, (oops, LSA) and enjoy it.
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rahulchoudhary73
Re: Odyssey question
Having a Grandpa to teach flying is so cool. As for the lottery, one may want to consider Lisa Akoya or Equator Aircraft too, hybrid electric two seater "amphibians" with wheels and jet skis too :)
What is the difference it makes to a sports pilot's wallet, one time and annually, the choice between FAR103, an E-LSA(2seater) and a factory built LSA? i mean apart from ship's cost and hull insurance. the cost savings in self assembled ones where the critical parts are built by the manufacturer (as designer) is obvious
like on the insurance front, what's the rate per $100,000, let's say. Now, when flying a very valuable passenger or co-pilot, with a reasonable personal life insurance to cover all the risks in life, do they need that much more insurance while in the air?
What is the difference it makes to a sports pilot's wallet, one time and annually, the choice between FAR103, an E-LSA(2seater) and a factory built LSA? i mean apart from ship's cost and hull insurance. the cost savings in self assembled ones where the critical parts are built by the manufacturer (as designer) is obvious
like on the insurance front, what's the rate per $100,000, let's say. Now, when flying a very valuable passenger or co-pilot, with a reasonable personal life insurance to cover all the risks in life, do they need that much more insurance while in the air?