MARK..
Please advise. Ed Baker is at 64CT, in reasonable temperatures probably, 465' elevation, and 70 lbs UNDER gross at ~930 lbs.
Yet he has a takeoff distance of 450 feet.
I have seen a video of you taking off with two on board in what looks like LESS than 200 feet. (And landing in even less.)
What is the secret to get those 200' takeoffs at gross? Guam is hot / ~300MSL, so I don't expect perfection.
What is the missing skill factor?
Thanks
RMM
Odyssey - Gross Weight - 200' Takeoff??
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jaimesadasalinas
Re: Odyssey - Gross Weight - 200' Takeoff??
Don´t forget that ISA is 15 degrees Celsius at Sea Level and standard barometric pressure and low humidity. Add 1,000 feet for every 8 degrees Celsius above 15 C and about 500 feet for high humidity environment. 1 inch of mercury column drop in pressure from 29.92" equals about a 1,000 feet in higher density altitude
At about 4,500 feet density altitude mine rolls for about 450-500 feet, with 2 aboard, in a grass strip, which, in my experience would imply a figure close to 200 feet at SL and ISA conditions with a paved runway
At about 4,500 feet density altitude mine rolls for about 450-500 feet, with 2 aboard, in a grass strip, which, in my experience would imply a figure close to 200 feet at SL and ISA conditions with a paved runway
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cossitt.alan
Re: Odyssey - Gross Weight - 200' Takeoff??
Mark, how does W&B affect take-off roll?
-Alan
-Alan
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earthstaraircraft
Re: Odyssey - Gross Weight - 200' Takeoff??
Hi
The procedure that I use for short field takeoff and landings are to Hold
the brakes, rev the throttle to full, flaps up and let off the brakes,
control surfaces neutral. at 45 mph apply 1/2 flaps and pull back all the way on
the stick, lift off will happen at 50 and than move the stick forward to
achieve 55 to 60 for climb,. As soon as obstacles are cleared smoothly
retract flaps and continue climb at 60. at high altitudes and or high density
altitudes use a little more airspeed.
Landing will be 60 mph on final approach visually looking out the window
and noting the angle of attack that will generate this speed. the airplane
fly's relative to angle of attack and the airspeed is related to load,
cleanliness of airplane. and some minor other factors. I tell you this because
you will not be looking at airspeed after this, since the angle of attack
gives you all you need, and is obvious to your view. As you glide down final
approach and are about 50 feet up at idle power and full flaps , you have
all ready identified were you intend to land, 1/3 of the way down the runway,
Set your center point of your gase at the far end of the runway. People
often set there gaze at there planed touchdown point but as they pas that
they no longer have an active field of reference and this is when the trouble
starts. keep your gase and concentration at the far end of the runway and
your preferal vision will give you extremely acierate information of your
position and the trends of your movement. this is the secret to a good
landing, you cant make a good landing if you are not doing it this way. As you
get to a few feet of the runway you will know intuitively what to do and you
will pull back on the stick just enough to hold the plane 6 in or so off
the ground till it runs out of speed and it will gracefully settle to the
ground with the minimum airspeed and will have a short ground roll out.
Especially if you use brakes. I have landed many times at normal runways and been
able to turn off into the run up area, but this is not the recommended
approach. This tekneak is what works on any airplane.
Happy Flying
Mark
In a message dated 6/20/2013 7:01:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ananda@guam.net writes:
MARK..
Please advise. Ed Baker is at 64CT, in reasonable temperatures probably,
465' elevation, and 70 lbs UNDER gross at ~930 lbs.
Yet he has a takeoff distance of 450 feet.
I have seen a video of you taking off with two on board in what looks like
LESS than 200 feet. (And landing in even less.)
What is the secret to get those 200' takeoffs at gross? Guam is hot /
~300MSL, so I don't expect perfection.
What is the missing skill factor?
Thanks
RMM
--- In _Earthstar_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:Earthstar_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com) , thundergul@... wrote:
>
> The 200 foot is level ground paved runway at sea level HKS 60 hp Gross
weight.
> Happy Flying,
> Mark
>
>
The procedure that I use for short field takeoff and landings are to Hold
the brakes, rev the throttle to full, flaps up and let off the brakes,
control surfaces neutral. at 45 mph apply 1/2 flaps and pull back all the way on
the stick, lift off will happen at 50 and than move the stick forward to
achieve 55 to 60 for climb,. As soon as obstacles are cleared smoothly
retract flaps and continue climb at 60. at high altitudes and or high density
altitudes use a little more airspeed.
Landing will be 60 mph on final approach visually looking out the window
and noting the angle of attack that will generate this speed. the airplane
fly's relative to angle of attack and the airspeed is related to load,
cleanliness of airplane. and some minor other factors. I tell you this because
you will not be looking at airspeed after this, since the angle of attack
gives you all you need, and is obvious to your view. As you glide down final
approach and are about 50 feet up at idle power and full flaps , you have
all ready identified were you intend to land, 1/3 of the way down the runway,
Set your center point of your gase at the far end of the runway. People
often set there gaze at there planed touchdown point but as they pas that
they no longer have an active field of reference and this is when the trouble
starts. keep your gase and concentration at the far end of the runway and
your preferal vision will give you extremely acierate information of your
position and the trends of your movement. this is the secret to a good
landing, you cant make a good landing if you are not doing it this way. As you
get to a few feet of the runway you will know intuitively what to do and you
will pull back on the stick just enough to hold the plane 6 in or so off
the ground till it runs out of speed and it will gracefully settle to the
ground with the minimum airspeed and will have a short ground roll out.
Especially if you use brakes. I have landed many times at normal runways and been
able to turn off into the run up area, but this is not the recommended
approach. This tekneak is what works on any airplane.
Happy Flying
Mark
In a message dated 6/20/2013 7:01:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ananda@guam.net writes:
MARK..
Please advise. Ed Baker is at 64CT, in reasonable temperatures probably,
465' elevation, and 70 lbs UNDER gross at ~930 lbs.
Yet he has a takeoff distance of 450 feet.
I have seen a video of you taking off with two on board in what looks like
LESS than 200 feet. (And landing in even less.)
What is the secret to get those 200' takeoffs at gross? Guam is hot /
~300MSL, so I don't expect perfection.
What is the missing skill factor?
Thanks
RMM
--- In _Earthstar_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:Earthstar_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com) , thundergul@... wrote:
>
> The 200 foot is level ground paved runway at sea level HKS 60 hp Gross
weight.
> Happy Flying,
> Mark
>
>
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rmm_guam
Re: Odyssey - Gross Weight - 200' Takeoff??
Many thanks Mark...
A clear and comprehensive takeoff and landing guide for the Odyssey!
Great instructing for this 36 hour student pilot. Much appreciated. I am very impressed with the Earthstar Odyssey aircraft. A great support community here as well.
RMM
A clear and comprehensive takeoff and landing guide for the Odyssey!
Great instructing for this 36 hour student pilot. Much appreciated. I am very impressed with the Earthstar Odyssey aircraft. A great support community here as well.
RMM
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rahulchoudhary73
Re: Odyssey - Gross Weight - 200' Takeoff??
+1 to that. patiently biding my time over two years now as a 5 hour paragliding student pilot. this place is a motherlode of sensible flying guidance. that airplane efficiency factor, e will tell an awesome story
guess one of these years, we'll all be flying with a lil laser for the last 50ft to the inches to a feather touch landing in any wind or light
rc
guess one of these years, we'll all be flying with a lil laser for the last 50ft to the inches to a feather touch landing in any wind or light
rc