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Re: Gull2000 Anatomy photos

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:38 pm
by dunceeconometrics
Wow. Lee that is interesting. BTW I added 8 more photos including one that shows a lot of corrosion on the top of the wing.

Re: Gull2000 Anatomy photos

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:23 pm
by maishalabe
They may realize they have a highly abused airframe and want to avoid any possibility of future litigation.

Re: Gull2000 Anatomy photos

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:33 pm
by maishalabe
Dear group; i think my inquiry got lost in the HKS flurry.
> Keeping in mind i have never seen any Earthstar in the Flesh [probably at Oshkosh or Arlington many years ago that i don't recall] the pictures clearly show what appears to be the flap handle overhead to the pilots right.Since i am severely arthritic having had both knees and hips replaced and they want to do my shoulders as well[which i refused] and i have great! difficulty reaching the top shelf of a freezer on the bottom refrigerator; any thoughts if that arm were lower, would it be an impediment or to distracting?
Thanks;Lee ,the un-lubricated Tin man
>

Re: Gull2000 Anatomy photos

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:00 pm
by fgayford
Hi Lee
People have installed electric flaps that work great. I have a friend with a Titan Tornado (a thundergull knock off company) and his flaps are great. I think I may someday convert my JT2 to this method.
Fred

Re: Gull2000 Anatomy photos

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:10 pm
by blaswichk
Er, the flap handle is on the right. On my Gull 2000 it feels easy to reach, but on my hangar partner’s Titan I that he had, it was awkward, so awkward, and with his shoulder arthritis he installed an electric conversion upgrade. Since the Titan I is a modified copy of the JT2, the flap may be a bit more difficult on the JT2 than on the 2000. Hopes this helps, come sit in mine at Arlington this year, it will be parked near Mark’s e-Gull.

From: Lee Wachs
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 3:33 PM
To: Earthstar_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Earthstar_Aircraft] Gull2000 Anatomy photos


Dear group; i think my inquiry got lost in the HKS flurry.
> Keeping in mind i have never seen any Earthstar in the Flesh [probably at Oshkosh or Arlington many years ago that i don't recall] the pictures clearly show what appears to be the flap handle overhead to the pilots right.Since i am severely arthritic having had both knees and hips replaced and they want to do my shoulders as well[which i refused] and i have great! difficulty reaching the top shelf of a freezer on the bottom refrigerator; any thoughts if that arm were lower, would it be an impediment or to distracting?
Thanks;Lee ,the un-lubricated Tin man
>




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Re: Gull2000 Anatomy photos

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:01 pm
by earthstaraircraft
Hi Lee
I have an electric flap motor that I have not yet tried.
Happy Flying
Mark

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Re: Gull2000 Anatomy photos

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:33 pm
by dickoreilly
Lee,

Electric would be the way to go. On the JT2, the flap handle is on the left, which is the lexan-enclosed side of the cockpit. Entry door is on the right. One notch of flaps is easy, and getting to the second notch on base or final is manageable at 60-65 mph. The effort and shoulder angle to engage the holes in the control plate for 30 degrees or 40 degrees was very difficult for me. I really needed to slow to 55 or a little less. Even then it was a struggle with me trying to engage the flaps with my left hand, trying to maintain a decent glide path and directional control with my right hand and trying how to figure out how to adjust the throttle on the left side while wrestling with the flap handle. That's why I seldom used more than 20 degrees of flap.

The good news is that aside from the flaps, the JT2 is a very easy plane to fly. It lands just fine with no flaps, or 10 degrees or 20 degrees. You just can't do the steep, slow approaches that Mark dazzles airshow spectators with. Those approaches take 40 degrees. The one or two I ever managed were fun. But the dozens that I botched trying to get into the bottom holes were not pretty. However, you actually can do a go-around with 30 degrees of flaps if you don't yank the nose too high.


Dick O'Reilly


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From: Kess Blaswich <kessb@wavecable.com>
To: Earthstar_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Earthstar_Aircraft] Gull2000 Anatomy photos



 
Er, the flap handle is on the right. On my Gull 2000 it feels easy to
reach, but on my hangar partner’s Titan I that he had, it was awkward, so
awkward, and with his shoulder arthritis he installed an electric conversion
upgrade. Since the Titan I is a modified copy of the JT2, the flap may be a bit
more difficult on the JT2 than on the 2000. Hopes this helps, come sit in mine
at Arlington this year, it will be parked near Mark’s e-Gull.
 
From: Lee Wachs
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 3:33 PM
To: Earthstar_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Earthstar_Aircraft] Gull2000 Anatomy
photos
 
 
Dear group; i think my inquiry got lost in the HKS flurry.
> Keeping in
mind i have never seen any Earthstar in the Flesh [probably at Oshkosh or
Arlington many years ago that i don't recall] the pictures clearly show what
appears to be the flap handle overhead to the pilots right.Since i am severely
arthritic having had both knees and hips replaced and they want to do my
shoulders as well[which i refused] and i have great! difficulty reaching the top
shelf of a freezer on the bottom refrigerator; any thoughts if that arm were
lower, would it be an impediment or to distracting?
Thanks;Lee ,the
un-lubricated Tin man
>


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Re: Gull2000 Anatomy photos

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:24 pm
by litefly@att.net
Mark..If you have an electric flap device for the JT2, I want one!

Re: Gull2000 Anatomy photos

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:49 am
by blaswichk
Darn, I did it again! the flap handle is on the left, (my other right). But aside from that, the electric flap motor that my hangar partner bought from Titan looks like it would fit a Gull with some bracket modifications. the newer Titans have the motor inside the center section of the wing, but they made an electric upgrade that fit’s on the flap handle bracketry of the older Titan’s like the Titan I that my hangar partner had. On the Gull 2000, the pilot sits farther back, and I’ve had no issues with the handle all the way to full flaps. I will say that jockeying the flap handle around on short final while steering is a bit of a challenge, but that too gets better with practice. Still the best bang for the buck, fly Gulls you won’t be sorry!

From: Kess Blaswich
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:10 PM
To: Earthstar_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Earthstar_Aircraft] Gull2000 Anatomy photos



Er, the flap handle is on the right. On my Gull 2000 it feels easy to reach, but on my hangar partner’s Titan I that he had, it was awkward, so awkward, and with his shoulder arthritis he installed an electric conversion upgrade. Since the Titan I is a modified copy of the JT2, the flap may be a bit more difficult on the JT2 than on the 2000. Hopes this helps, come sit in mine at Arlington this year, it will be parked near Mark’s e-Gull.

From: Lee Wachs
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 3:33 PM
To: Earthstar_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Earthstar_Aircraft] Gull2000 Anatomy photos


Dear group; i think my inquiry got lost in the HKS flurry.
> Keeping in mind i have never seen any Earthstar in the Flesh [probably at Oshkosh or Arlington many years ago that i don't recall] the pictures clearly show what appears to be the flap handle overhead to the pilots right.Since i am severely arthritic having had both knees and hips replaced and they want to do my shoulders as well[which i refused] and i have great! difficulty reaching the top shelf of a freezer on the bottom refrigerator; any thoughts if that arm were lower, would it be an impediment or to distracting?
Thanks;Lee ,the un-lubricated Tin man
>



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Re: Gull2000 Anatomy photos

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:43 pm
by rahulchoudhary73
To engage the flap easier, one could shift focus to slightly raise the hip by tightening the thigh (vastus medialis) and lower back (quadratus lamborum) muscles, instead of the usual focus on the deltoid and bicep; that would generate a smoother and larger pulling force

Happy Mark allowed electric flaps; Er:)in the Gull2020, the forward swept wing feature request, a fowler flap would be awesome with it. read once the FAA has a ~51% limit of total wing area on the size of the fowler. just in case, patent US4614320 became free nine years ago, Burt Rutan's light three-support fowler system on the Grizzly. Pretty sure he'd be pleased too to see it become useful again. Only Mark can dazzle everyone yet a gain! (maybe this year itself; if a Gull2000 can fly in 2014, Gull2020 could fly now too :)